WHU(Exeter)
3:21 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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i don't understand some of it. even when it was established by a number of experts that natural causes were to blame, shift patterns were looked into, which took "months".
if the shift patterns were readily available or as near as, then why would it take MONTHS to look into them?
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martyboy
3:16 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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Russ the reason i mentioned this was because your find that the medical fraternity will all stick together. Even when one department knows another is/has made mistakes that have cost lives. I think your find the NHS has paid out the largest ever payments for Negligence ever last year. £2.6 Billion. You wont get any one to be held responsible for there fuck ups. It just dont happen!!
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Far Cough
2:22 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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Some babies that were in rude health one day were going into an emergency or dying the next day, this wasn't picked up by the hospital and wasn't being reported to the wider NHS who may have seen a pattern emerging. Let's hope the Inquiry will get to the bottom of it all.
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Nurse Ratched
2:09 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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They didn't have to 'label her a baby killer'.
Investigating Letby's involvement (or not) and establishing the facts was the job of police.
Weighing the evidence and reaching a verdict was the job of the court and jury. At this point she would be labelled a baby killer.
All management had to do was call in the police, which they eventually did, but not after she had murdered and attacked some more babies. And along the way they threatened the whistleblowers (I think you'll find that a bit of a no-no where guidelines are concerned)
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Russ of the BML
1:55 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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Nurse Ratched 1:31 Tue Aug 22
It's not rot. I am just saying its hard to label someone a baby killer on coincidence and circumstantial evidence.
I'm also not saying that mistakes weren't made and that they were obviously very indecisive. They obviously were more concerned about not dealing with a huge bullying grievance that clearly took their eye off the actual issue.
If they didn't adhere to guidelines only time will tell. That will come out. There's obviously a range of incompetency here that was affected by alot of factors.
My original point still stands, I would be confident to say this was not a cover up and, whilst they made mistakes, I doubt this was very easy to manage.
That is all.
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Russ of the BML
1:52 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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martyboy 1:14 Tue Aug 22
Sorry to hear that.
Not sure why you told me that on the context of this case but I am sorry anyway.
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Nurse Ratched
1:35 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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* refused to contact the police
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Nurse Ratched
1:31 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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What rot, Russ.
The unit was experiencing infant death and collapse statistics way above the norm. The single common denominator in all these incidents was easily identified by the consultants. It's part of their job to monitor those stats and look for patterns in order to improve safety. They weren't pulling guesses out of thin air when they presented their suspicions and concerns about Letby. Management consistently refused to contact the online over a sustained period time. They threatened doctors with being referred to the GMC if they didn't back off. There was almost certainly an element of Nurses vs Doctors politics.
The appropriate course of action by management was one of an abundance of caution - and I don't mean 'being abundantly cautious not to hurt poor little Lucy's feelings and put the battleaxe nurse's noses out of joint'. Children were dying and collapsing almost on a weekly basis. The stakes really could not get any higher.
When the Inquiry reports back, it will inevitably confirm that management did not adhere to guidelines.
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martyboy
1:14 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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Russ. Im going to tell you about my father who died 2 years ago. He was 76 and pretty healthy. He had a pacemaker fitted around 6 years ago. Every year you are supposed to have this check to make sure its working. During "Covid" when all these doctors/nursed where not seeing anyone with out Covid my dad did not get his pacemaker looked at. So after Covid finished, and without anyone looking at it for over 2 years he was called in the Royal Berks to have this looked at, as it was not working properly. He went in for the day, and i picked him up late afternoon from the hospital. He had the right hump. When i asked what was wrong with him, he told me a waste of time as no one looked at his pacemaker, and after sitting around for hours a nurse made him a Tea and sent him home. He did speak to a Consultant, who told him he was changing his medication. The following day he went into his local Morrison, to the pharmacy, and dropped down dead with a massive heart attach. His pacemaker did not kick in, as it was not working!!! At his inquest this was brought up, and the coroner wanted too know why it was not looked at. The consultant told him, he had looked at it, and it was working perfectly well the day before??? I went to meet the coroner after and asked why the consultant had lied about not servicing his pacemaker, and his words to me where. His a highly respected heart consultant, so we have to take his word for it!!!
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Russ of the BML
11:37 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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Lee Trundle 10:38 Tue Aug 22
I would argue nothing about this was easy. I wouldn't fancy managing a situation whereby there is a serial baby killer in your midst. Coincidences aside, there was little or no evidence. You strike someone off without little or no evidence is basically accusing them of being a murderer then you leave yourself open for the sue of a lifetime.
I'm not siding with incompetency. They made mistakes. I just think for the media its too easy to start their vendetta when they haven't got a clue what it must've been like to manage this.
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Kaiser Zoso
11:29 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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They removed her from the unit in June 2016.
They insisted in 2017 there was no evidence of criminal activity.
That’s transparently a cover up.
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Lee Trundle
10:38 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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"Although I don't like the media's now apparent angle to persecute the senior staff that managed it. I do feel for them. Must've been very difficult situation"
I disagree. They chose the VERY easy option in this day and age. They ignored 3 sensible people and sided with the one that cried so not to hurt her feelings.
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Russ of the BML
10:31 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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It wasnt a cover up. It was just badly managed. Although I don't like the media's now apparent angle to persecute the senior staff that managed it. I do feel for them. Must've been very difficult situation. I mean, people die in hospitals all the time. Yes, as time moved on the coincidences of her being present at the time of deaths was over-whelming. But this was always something that was going to take time to uncover because you cannot just start accusing nurses of murder when a patient dies.
There was obviously mis-management and a lack of decisive action at crucial moments. But for fuck sake, who on earth would've expected that they had a serial baby killer in their midst? Its like a horror story. Senior management must protect staff as well as patients and I am sure they did what they did with good intentions. Even though, as it turned out, to be mis-guided and possibly incompetent.
But I see no point in the media now driving these people into the ground under such gruesome and almost unprecedented circumstances.
Just my opinion.
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Alfs
12:13 Tue Aug 22
Re: Lucy Letby
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No need for the 9 month trial.
"Your honour, the accused is an only child. I rest my case".
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Mad Dog
11:38 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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Hopefully the other inmate will get to her
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philj904
10:06 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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They should play the sound of crying babies in her cell 24/7 until she loses her sick mind
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philj904
10:06 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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They should play the sound of crying babies in her cell 24/7 until she loses her sick mind
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stewie griffin
10:02 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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Not sure it was a cover up, was it?
Thought it was more the sort of thing that's commonplace these days.
Her feels were upset because someone suggested she might be a serial killer, so they spent more time investigating the bullying complaint by Letby than they did investigating the suggestion that she might be murdering babies.
Feels are much more important in the modern world
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Mike Oxsaw
10:01 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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Cells containing people like her should have a little cabinet in them containing a cyanide pill.
They are free to take this option at any time thus: 1- squirming out of their punishment / 2 - relieving the taxpayer of a lifetime financial burden (the money then being used to house illegal immigrants).
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scouse kid
9:49 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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part of the reason she got away with it so long was because of the bloke she was shaggings position in the trust
he has lot to answer for going into bat for her when they had the first complaints came in
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Browno22
9:44 Mon Aug 21
Re: Lucy Letby
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Would
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